what happens when married couple can not conceive a child... would this be "God's will" that they not have a child or would it be okay for the couple to try infertility treatments?
Liberal--- I am not bashing it is a question on how this situation would be handled, that is all.
Thank you all for your best wishes, but I am not trying to have a child, the question is just a thought I had!! 
Kal-- I guess that question flowed better in my head.. I guess what I am saying is not that God made a mistake, but since he doesn't make mistakes was this on purpose and if it was on purpose wouldn't God have a problem with them using the infertility drugs?
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christians are so narrow minded...
good point. and what about what a child is born with a mental illness?? gods will right?? to make people love all people, who cares if its just one person??
God made man Intelligent , if God did not want man to try such things , he would not have given him the mind to do it , it the first place .
This is not God making mistakes. It is the result of sin entering the world due to man wanting to be like god.
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The inability to conceive is part of the deterioration of mankind's genes. One of the blessings we have today is technology that can help women who want to have children conceive. I recommend it. I am sure God is happy when the creative minds He gave us actually help people.
Original sin has added many pains to life.
God never condemns the good use of science.
BTW, God is the Great Scientist you know, and He is good at math too.
Remember, original sin, not necessarily YOUR sin.
Use 1 John 1.9 on your personal sin, and trust the Lord with the rest.
Peace to you.
hmm.. another good question.. I'm sure Christians will say it was God's will that they have another purpose on Earth. But does that mean they go to hell now for trying infertility treatments, therefore "playing" God?
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Someone said something about its because Sin entered the world and this is a result of it.. That's BS. Why should this perfectly "good" couple be punished because of other's sins?
You know God is a busy man, Their are people in way more need. zzyou should pray before you try, honestly pray and speak to him, it will happen.
God would not be God if He made mistakes. It could be God's will that a couple not have a baby. Read the Book of Job in the Old Testament for an account of bad things happening to a righteous man. Perhaps the couple is the perfect couple to adopt a certain child that God has in mind.
christians are dumbasses except for epicopaliens. trust me. dont wry bout a thing.
If they are meant to have a child, fertility treatments will work and if not, nothing will work...save adoption. Eitehr way they have a child.
that has happened to people in the Bible and God..read it and see what He did.(Sarah,Rebekah,Elizabeth,Rachael)Thats where a huge step of faith comes into play and knowing that God is in control.And as far as treatments,I believe that God has given fertility specialists that calling to help those in need.And we need to ask what God's will for our life is,not just what we desire.
You're mistaking "God's will" with "Life". Life is just life - God doesn't micromanage it, like a good manager doesn't micro-manage his workforce.
God created doctors so we could have infertility treatments.
It is always okay for people to do everything they can in order to achieve something, even if they think that God doesn't want it, then God won't care because if it's God's will, it will not happen no matter what you do or try.
That sounds really bad... and I didn't put it right, probably, but definitely try everything you can, including the treatments. If it doesn't happen after you've tried everything, then maybe it's just not 'meant to be.'
All the best!
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If a married couple can't concieve, maybe it's God's will to adopt a little baby from Russia and raise them to find the cure for cancer... ever think of that? Whether you believe in a God or not there IS a reason for everything.
if they want a child they can do atricfisual insinemation or adopt a child i mean look at jessus he was artifically isinimated by the holly spirit thats how marry got himby the holly spirit so nothing is wrong with artifically insinimating
God gave us brains so that we might developed medicines and treatments- like infertility treatments. Just like a cancer patient would have surgery and take cemo, I beleive it is fine for a couple to have infertility treatments.
We live in a fallen world, so there are diseases and disorders. Some we can cure some we can't.
I know some people do not believe in infertility treatments, but this is what I believe.
They mostly only say that when their chips are down. too make themselves feel better. When in reality they believe in free-will, which most christian religions believe in. and this would be a case of free will.
Ya pretty much if a person cant concieve for whatever reason (and dont get me wrong I feel for these ppl its an awful thing) then its just not meant to be or maybe god feels its not the right time just now but will give it to you eventually ..whatever reason trust in him and he will give back.. maybe theres a homeless child out there right now and needs a mammy and daddy and god works that way instead and chooses you to care for that homeless child... My cousin was run over by a tractor as a child all her insides were in bits and she was not well for years after it and was told she would never have kids that it be impossible,.. she is now 32 and after 8 years of trying to concieve she announced 3 months ago she was pregnant... you just have to be patient and trust in your creator.
You assume that every problem humanity has is God's fault. Were that the case then we would be robots and unable to make decisions for ourselves or have freedom of any kind. God is not responsible for men or women not being able to reproduce. It is a matter of human frailty brought about by man's inability and unwillingness to obey God in the Garden of Eden and passed down to us through genetics, disease, etc. You asked if it would be ok for them to try infertility treatments and I'm assuming you meant fertility treatments and the answer is yes it would be ok. God does not prohibit it in scripture.
yes it is possible to have a god's will and don't have any kid otherwise don't have a child as god's will
you cannot think and act like God.so truth only God knows
It could be that their sin caused them to be infertile
Yes, and yes.
there are many ways to have a child. I don't see anything in scripture that says not to use extra efforts if the usual way does not work.
Adoption is also a great way to become a parent.
I think it is okay for a couple to try infertility treatments.It increases your chances on having a child. But it doesn't actually give you a child so I believe anyone who disagrees with it or says that it is going against god is just arrogant. It is a blessing that modern medicine has gone so far.
it is either for an unknown reason only to God, or something else
i'm not a christian but i want to tackle this none-the-less. i think it's a good question and highlights the problems of religion. The fact that God gave man intelligence is no answer, as God gave man free will but doesn't want us to use it according to the scriptures. It is therefore necessary to come to the conclusion that God would not want that certain couple to create a child as he is omnipotent by definition and thus could give them child if he wished.
Question is next - when God is defined as wholly good - why would he want that and one must conclude 'he has his reasons'. this question has no concrete answer but christian faith allows them to bypass this.
Well God expects us to use our human intelligence as well. I mean God cannot do everything for us. I would think whatever a religious or philosophical ideology rules in their lives they would look for every option today possible whether through infertility treatments or surrogate mother etc. Even in ancient times a childless couple could still adopt a child.
I'm a Christian and was adopted when I was a little boy.
God's hand is in everything including assistance when needed. I encourage them to do what they need to do to add to their family. Sometimes after being relaxed and caring for a newborn the natural conceiving process just happens. Wish you the best.
I don't see why infertility treatments would be considered bad by Christians unless you're Christian Scientist and are against drugs. Christian Scientists would probably give the God's Will argument and leave it at that. But I think most garden variety Christians wouldn't have a problem w/ fertility treatments. If you can take Tylenol for a headache, why can't you take fertility drugs to help conceive a child?
I don't necessarily think "everything happens for a reason" aka...God planned it that way. Many of the times, things just don't seem to make sense. However, if one were to believe that it was Gods' intention to make a married couple infertile, perhaps they were inteneded to adopt a child whom nobody else wanted...BUT, if fertility would also benefit them, then they might see THAT as God's plan. Ultimately, those of us who are living should do what makes the most in our lives and not worry about having judgements passed becasue God is supposed to be accepting of all, regardless of where you are in your spirital journey.
It's a slippery slope once you start attributing every little thing to God's will. I think things like that happen naturally.
Me getting hit by a drunk driver on the way home tonight wouldn't be God's will, it would just be something that happened because someone decided to drink and drive. A man or woman's infertility would just be something that happened because his/her body developed that way in the womb. They should look at fertility treatments in that situation, IMO.
Sometimes I think trying to divine God's will in everything that happens causes more confusion than anything.
"Love your lord your God with all your heart" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" are the litmus tests. As long as your actions are in line with those commands, you're not going against God's will.
You are what you speak.
If someone can't have a child and they want to cop out and blame God for it, than so it will be. If they say "I don't believe the doctors" and they want a child perhaps they need to push their faith to a different level.
I've seen couples that had been given bad news from the doctors, and kept trying for years and kept praying and believing and remaining faithful to each other, and believe it if you want or not, they were able to conceive.
Perhaps there's an issue of drugs or alcohol that may be deterimental? They need to get rid of the drugs and pray a child into their life.
Not sure how the original question relates to the details. Are you suggesting that a couple's infertility is a result of a mistake that God made? If so, then I disagree...it is MUCH more likely that infertility is caused by genetic anomalies, environmental contaminants, and/or the previous mistakes of one or both of the people involved.
I think it is pretty clear that it is "God's will" that we each seek his will directly prior to making every decision, especially one as critical as the decision to have a child! In some cases, infertility treatments can and do cause a lot of pain and heartache...and more than one marriage has broken up due to the stress of infertility treatments. I don't think it is automatically against God's will for an infertile couple to seek treatment...however, I do think that it is a serious and potentially dangerous decision and that a couple should ask God what he thinks before they proceed.
it's kinda complex
you see, it's true that god gave us intelligence so getting artificially pregnant is not bad anyways. that's like saying that God gave us free will, and that's our excuse to sin :s....remember when God promised Sarah(who was infertile) a baby. she got so despaired for it that made Abraham to sleep with Hagar to have "her" baby. Later on god gave Sarah her own baby.
Someone said the whole thing about infertility as a consequence of sin is nonesense cuz you dont have to pay for others sins.
Well, if your dad steals, ye, he will go to jail, not you. But wont you and your siblings suffer the consequences of that? Life will become harder and education wont be so easy, etc, etc...but in the spiritual, it all goes beyond that.
God's will is good and perfect. He won't wish a kid to suffer mental problems. a mental illness is the consequence of our ancestors and our acts. Though, God uses everything for a purpose.
you know, when people watch the news or something, they ask "hey, why is that God allows the world to be this way?"
Well, the only answer is: "hey, did u know God left us a word to follow so the world could be a perfect place? But somehow we're not following it, and still we complain"
I honestly don't know what the church's stance is on IVF, but I do think that if they truly want children and feel they would be good parents, they should try it.
God told mankind to be fruitful and multiply, but it did not mean that all would be able to do so. In some cases it may be a genetic malfunction or a chemical imbalance that would not allow some to have children. If there is a problem, it is most likely the fault of the person, through drugs or alcohol, or their genetic background catching up with them. Whatever the reason, the ability to have or not to have children in exclusively in God's hands, and He gives the privilege to whom He chooses. Infertility could not stop God from allowing a pregnancy, and fertility could not stop God from denying a pregnancy.
If He could allow a virgin to get pregnant, I would think He could allow anyone to get pregnant, or stop anyone from getting pregnant, and neither would be a mistake. God never makes mistakes, but mankind makes mistakes when they believe they can truly define what is a mistake and what is not when it comes to things they cannot, and do not control.
The human dream and all the errors and evil it delineates upon one is not God's creation or will. There never was a spiritual mistake and Spirit never transitioned into a material thought.